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Feb 21, 2009 11:53
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Gamskitz
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Animal native to Austria
Hi everyone,
Working on a marketing initiative focused on Kitzbuehel. The term I am struggling with is "Gamskitz", which is the symbol of Kitzbuehel (Tyrol, Austria). This animal only exists in Europe and New Zealand. The correct translation for "Gams" is chamois. However, we are talking about the young Gams, the "baby". There's much discussion that we have found as to what a Gamskitz is in English, and there's no consensus.
Ergo, the question: "What do you call a young chamois"?
So far, we have found:
simply "calf" which is of course correct for a young mammal, but not specific enough
"kid", which again leaves the species out
"young chamois"
"baby chamois"
Client has thus far used "chamois", which leaves the part that the Gams is a young one completely out. I've been researching on hunting sites (yikes), etc., but have yet to come up with a term that I really like.
I am really looking forward to hearing any comments and insight.
Judy Jenner
Working on a marketing initiative focused on Kitzbuehel. The term I am struggling with is "Gamskitz", which is the symbol of Kitzbuehel (Tyrol, Austria). This animal only exists in Europe and New Zealand. The correct translation for "Gams" is chamois. However, we are talking about the young Gams, the "baby". There's much discussion that we have found as to what a Gamskitz is in English, and there's no consensus.
Ergo, the question: "What do you call a young chamois"?
So far, we have found:
simply "calf" which is of course correct for a young mammal, but not specific enough
"kid", which again leaves the species out
"young chamois"
"baby chamois"
Client has thus far used "chamois", which leaves the part that the Gams is a young one completely out. I've been researching on hunting sites (yikes), etc., but have yet to come up with a term that I really like.
I am really looking forward to hearing any comments and insight.
Judy Jenner
Proposed translations
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| 3 +7 | chamois kid |
Helen Shiner
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| 4 +2 | chamois fawn |
swisstell
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| 3 +2 | "Kitz" - a young chamois |
Lesley Robertson MA, Dip Trans IoLET
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References
| Or calf |
Kim Metzger
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Feb 21, 2009 14:15: Helen Shiner Created KOG entry
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Helen Shiner
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chamois kid
Young Alpine chamois (Rupicapra rupicapra) are vulnerable to golden eagles (Aquila chrysaetos), while adults are probably eaten only as carrion. Here I report the observation of predation by a golden eagle on an Alpine chamois kid and the attempt at female defensive behaviour. During the eagle attack, the females of the herd surrounded their kids and tried to protect them with their horns and bodies. However, the defensive behaviour was unsuccessful and the eagle flew away with a kid. This observation may be consistent with the hypothesis of herd defensive behaviour in the Alpine chamois related to female sociality.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/p523428mp3w87163/
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http://books.google.com/books?id=cuhNr47qfG4C&pg=PA16&lpg=PA...
Finally, T. ovis was the theileria less frequently found and restricted to a Catalonian chamois kid that died from pneumonia.
http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/para/abstract.00006407-20070300...
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And here you have a picture of one:
http://www.mountainman.co.nz/gallery.php?imageID=55
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http://chestofbooks.com/animals/W-H-G-Kingston/Stories-of-An...
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It seems that the young of an antelope is generally called a calf. Perhaps given the relatedness of the chamois to this family, you would be correct in calling it a calf, too.
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This chamois web-site has calf:
http://www.thewebsiteofeverything.com/animals/mammals/Artiod...
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It might also be worth noting that the leather from a goat's young is called 'kid leather' whereas that from a chamois's young is called 'calf leather' - there are many, many ghits that will confirm this.
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Thanks for the points, Judy - and to my peers for supporting links.
http://www.springerlink.com/content/p523428mp3w87163/
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http://books.google.com/books?id=cuhNr47qfG4C&pg=PA16&lpg=PA...
Finally, T. ovis was the theileria less frequently found and restricted to a Catalonian chamois kid that died from pneumonia.
http://pt.wkhealth.com/pt/re/para/abstract.00006407-20070300...
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Note added at 10 mins (2009-02-21 12:04:15 GMT)
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And here you have a picture of one:
http://www.mountainman.co.nz/gallery.php?imageID=55
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http://chestofbooks.com/animals/W-H-G-Kingston/Stories-of-An...
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Note added at 56 mins (2009-02-21 12:50:19 GMT)
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It seems that the young of an antelope is generally called a calf. Perhaps given the relatedness of the chamois to this family, you would be correct in calling it a calf, too.
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Note added at 58 mins (2009-02-21 12:52:15 GMT)
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This chamois web-site has calf:
http://www.thewebsiteofeverything.com/animals/mammals/Artiod...
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It might also be worth noting that the leather from a goat's young is called 'kid leather' whereas that from a chamois's young is called 'calf leather' - there are many, many ghits that will confirm this.
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Thanks for the points, Judy - and to my peers for supporting links.
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thank you, I will definitely go with this answer. And agreed with previous -- a chamois is not in the deer family, but is a goatlike antelope. Thanks for all the great input. It makes me sad that anyone wants to hunt these cuties!"
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chamois fawn
a chamois is part of the deer family and deer youngsters are called FAWNS, not kids or such.
Stock Photography of chamois - fawn standing / Rupicapra rupicapra ... chamois - fawn standing / Rupicapra rupicapra stock photography by Juniors Bildarchiv. 139070 Fotosearch Stock Photography and Stock Footage helps you find ...
www.fotosearch.com/JNB006/139070/ -
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HuntingNet.com Photo Gallery chamois doe and fawn - 1shot 2 kills. chamois buck. first fox this year. polecat. first marten. chamois fawn. 2008 Season. Back porch beasts! 8pt. ...
www.huntingnet.com/gallery/?s=r - 91k
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One chamois fawn could be caught alive, one young female chamois and one 9year-old male ibex were shot in the fields. These 3 animals were submitted for ...
library.vetmed.fu-berlin.de/resources/global/contents/VET164623/EAZWV/Chester%20PDF/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20Degiorgis.pdf
Stock Photography of chamois - fawn standing / Rupicapra rupicapra ... chamois - fawn standing / Rupicapra rupicapra stock photography by Juniors Bildarchiv. 139070 Fotosearch Stock Photography and Stock Footage helps you find ...
www.fotosearch.com/JNB006/139070/ -
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HuntingNet.com Photo Gallery chamois doe and fawn - 1shot 2 kills. chamois buck. first fox this year. polecat. first marten. chamois fawn. 2008 Season. Back porch beasts! 8pt. ...
www.huntingnet.com/gallery/?s=r - 91k
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One chamois fawn could be caught alive, one young female chamois and one 9year-old male ibex were shot in the fields. These 3 animals were submitted for ...
library.vetmed.fu-berlin.de/resources/global/contents/VET164623/EAZWV/Chester%20PDF/Microsoft%20Word%20-%20Degiorgis.pdf
Note from asker:
| Thanks! However, a chamois is not in the deer family (Reh). A chamois is part of the antelope family, so it can't be a fawn, because a fawn is a young Reh -- different family. We'd originally erroneously thought that, too (and used "fawn"), and were quickly corrected by the client and informed of our "Denkfehler". Funny that you came up with the same thing. Thanks for your input! |
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Manuela Junghans
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danke, Manuela
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David Hollywood
: spot on Swiss :)
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thanks,David
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Stephen Sadie
: www.exploringnature.org/db/detail.php?dbID=44&detID=579 - 9k - Im Cache - Ähnliche Seiten
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thank you, Stephen
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Cetacea
: Chamois are not members of the deer family. For one thing, deer have antlers, while chamois have horns. They belong to the family of the Bovidae.// No, it's not. Copying other people's errors on the Web doesn't make them right.
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Lesley Robertson MA, Dip Trans IoLET
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"Kitz" - a young chamois
This seems to be the most commonly used term rather than kid or fawn, although they are equally correct. I would avoid "calf" and "baby". Why not gloss at the beginning of the text, e.g. The symbol of Kitzbühel is the "Kitz" - a young chamois..." and then use Kitz afterwards
Reference:
http://www.treknature.com/gallery/Europe/Germany/photo182942.htm
http://www.montagnes2002.ch/exp/enc/living/wildlife/chamois.html
Peer comment(s):
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Stephen Sadie
: also a neat solution
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thanks stephen!!
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Cetacea
: An elegant solution to the problem.
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Reference comments
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Reference:
Or calf
Results 1 - 10 of about 333 English and German pages for "chamois kid".
Results 1 - 10 of about 691 English and German pages for "chamois calf".
The chamois (Rupicapra rupicapra) is a goat-like animal native to the Carpathian Mountains of Romania, the European Alps, the Gran Sasso region of the central Italian Apennines, the Tatra Mountains, the Balkans, parts of Turkey, and the Caucasus.
Female chamois and their young live in herds; adult males tend to live solitarily for most of the year. During the rut (late November/early December in Europe, May in New Zealand), males engage in fierce battles for the attention of unbred females. An impregnated female undergoes a gestation period of 20 weeks, after which a single kid is born. The kid is fully grown by three years of age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamois
The Chamois is a goat like animal, but it belongs in its own genus and is more closely related to the Goral than to the goats. The Chamois is superbly adapted to the mountains having particularly soft hooves which help it to grasp to the rocks on the mountains where it lives. It also has large dew claws which help it to clasp to slopes when descending.
http://www.geocities.com/magicgoatman/wildgoatindex.html
Goral
Reproduction: Gestation lasts about six months, after which the female delivers a single calf.
http://www.americazoo.com/goto/index/mammals/414.htm
Thirteen Chinese goral (Nemorhaedus goral arnouxianus) (five males and eight females) were each given 0.8 mg of melengestrol acetate orally in pelleted food for 224 days. The previous breeding season, six of the eight females calved (two were immature). No calf was born during the treatment season.
The Chinese goral (Nemorhaedus goral arnouxianus) is a seasonally breeding, goatlike bovid that breeds readily in captivity. Wild gorals live in steep rocky terrain in groups of up to 14.12 Females over 3 yr calve yearly throughout their reproductive life.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/full/10.1638/1042-7260(2000)031[02...
Results 1 - 10 of about 691 English and German pages for "chamois calf".
The chamois (Rupicapra rupicapra) is a goat-like animal native to the Carpathian Mountains of Romania, the European Alps, the Gran Sasso region of the central Italian Apennines, the Tatra Mountains, the Balkans, parts of Turkey, and the Caucasus.
Female chamois and their young live in herds; adult males tend to live solitarily for most of the year. During the rut (late November/early December in Europe, May in New Zealand), males engage in fierce battles for the attention of unbred females. An impregnated female undergoes a gestation period of 20 weeks, after which a single kid is born. The kid is fully grown by three years of age.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chamois
The Chamois is a goat like animal, but it belongs in its own genus and is more closely related to the Goral than to the goats. The Chamois is superbly adapted to the mountains having particularly soft hooves which help it to grasp to the rocks on the mountains where it lives. It also has large dew claws which help it to clasp to slopes when descending.
http://www.geocities.com/magicgoatman/wildgoatindex.html
Goral
Reproduction: Gestation lasts about six months, after which the female delivers a single calf.
http://www.americazoo.com/goto/index/mammals/414.htm
Thirteen Chinese goral (Nemorhaedus goral arnouxianus) (five males and eight females) were each given 0.8 mg of melengestrol acetate orally in pelleted food for 224 days. The previous breeding season, six of the eight females calved (two were immature). No calf was born during the treatment season.
The Chinese goral (Nemorhaedus goral arnouxianus) is a seasonally breeding, goatlike bovid that breeds readily in captivity. Wild gorals live in steep rocky terrain in groups of up to 14.12 Females over 3 yr calve yearly throughout their reproductive life.
http://www.bioone.org/doi/full/10.1638/1042-7260(2000)031[02...
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