Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
alojamiento convencional
English translation:
traditional accommodation
Added to glossary by
darrenthomps
Jul 18, 2010 18:08
13 yrs ago
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Spanish term
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, Portuguese to English, Catalan to English
alojamiento convencional
Spanish to English
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Tourism & Travel
Hi,
I'm currently translating an article for a tourism company. In the section of the document in question, the author is discussing the expected changes in the tourism industry in the next 10 years. I am having problems with the following phrase:
El aumento relativo de la demanda de alojamiento convencional
My original attempt was "The relative increase in the demand for conventional accomodation".
This didn't seem to make much sense in context though, and when I dug a little deeper, I found that sometimes "alojamiento convencional" can also mean "catered accomodation".
Any suggestions to solve my confusion?
Thanks
Darren
I'm currently translating an article for a tourism company. In the section of the document in question, the author is discussing the expected changes in the tourism industry in the next 10 years. I am having problems with the following phrase:
El aumento relativo de la demanda de alojamiento convencional
My original attempt was "The relative increase in the demand for conventional accomodation".
This didn't seem to make much sense in context though, and when I dug a little deeper, I found that sometimes "alojamiento convencional" can also mean "catered accomodation".
Any suggestions to solve my confusion?
Thanks
Darren
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +2 | traditional accomodation (s) |
Jenni Lukac (X)
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| 4 +2 | conventional accommodation |
liz askew
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| 4 +1 | standard lodging |
Lourdes Sanchez
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| 4 | conventional lodging |
Carmen Schultz
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| 3 | conventional housing |
Grace Girouard
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Proposed translations
+2
13 hrs
Selected
traditional accomodation (s)
I looked up synonyms for "convencional" and came up with: * arbitrario
* protocolario
* formulario
* tradicional
* clásico
* normal
The antonyms were " * nuevo * revolucionario http://www.elpais.com/diccionarios/sinonimos-antonimos/conve... So I would go with traditional vs. new, alternative, innovative, etc. here as it covers the modalities of the offer (pricing/packaging/services rendered, etc.) and the physical installations themselves (what people are accostumed to).
* protocolario
* formulario
* tradicional
* clásico
* normal
The antonyms were " * nuevo * revolucionario http://www.elpais.com/diccionarios/sinonimos-antonimos/conve... So I would go with traditional vs. new, alternative, innovative, etc. here as it covers the modalities of the offer (pricing/packaging/services rendered, etc.) and the physical installations themselves (what people are accostumed to).
Peer comment(s):
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Pilar Díez
13 hrs
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Saludos y gracias Pilar.
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liz askew
: incorrect spelling of "accomModation"./The Spanish states "convencional"....so I am sticking to conventional.
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So sorry for the typo, Liz. Is there anything wrong with traditional?
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Carmen Schultz
: I agree that the word needs to be used in plural for' lodging' context-- perhaps you can say "conventional" or standard "accommodations"-- for UK-- in US lodging is used a lot too. ; )
1 day 5 hrs
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Good afternoon and thanks, Carmen.
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3 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Hi Jenni, this sounds like the best fit for the source text.
Many thanks!
Darren"
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39 mins
conventional accommodation
The rough guide to Argentina - Google Books Result
Danny Aeberhard, Andrew Benson, Lucy Phillips - 2000 - Travel - 773 pages
HOUSE AND ROO RENTAL As well as conventional accommodation options you may also wish to ... Tourist offices may also hold information on houses to rent. ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=1858285690...
based on the reference only
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New travel accommodation service to rival couch-surfing | News ...
11 Sep 2009... and more conventional accommodation options such as hostels and hotels. ... accommodation options including hotels, hostels and rentals, ...
www.breakingtravelnews.com/.../new-travel-accommodation-ser... - Cached
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TOURISM ANNUAL 2003 | Bayleys Realty Group
Conventional accommodation providers - hotels, backpackers/hostels and tourist cabins - all recorded healthy growth rates between 20% and 30%. ...
www.bayleys.co.nz/Our_Services/.../Tourism_Annual_2003.htm - Cached
Danny Aeberhard, Andrew Benson, Lucy Phillips - 2000 - Travel - 773 pages
HOUSE AND ROO RENTAL As well as conventional accommodation options you may also wish to ... Tourist offices may also hold information on houses to rent. ...
books.google.co.uk/books?isbn=1858285690...
based on the reference only
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New travel accommodation service to rival couch-surfing | News ...
11 Sep 2009... and more conventional accommodation options such as hostels and hotels. ... accommodation options including hotels, hostels and rentals, ...
www.breakingtravelnews.com/.../new-travel-accommodation-ser... - Cached
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TOURISM ANNUAL 2003 | Bayleys Realty Group
Conventional accommodation providers - hotels, backpackers/hostels and tourist cabins - all recorded healthy growth rates between 20% and 30%. ...
www.bayleys.co.nz/Our_Services/.../Tourism_Annual_2003.htm - Cached
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Pilar Díez
1 day 2 hrs
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Thank you!
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| agree |
ModusLang
: Standard or conventional accommodation!
1 day 2 hrs
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Thank you!/I will go with "conventional", as quoted in the sites above.
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| neutral |
Carmen Schultz
: when referring to lodging, this word is usually used in the plural (plural [accommodations] preferred usage confirmed by English dictionaries)
1 day 18 hrs
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My contibution is British English and it is 100% correct. We don't use "accommodations" in the plural, and rarely use "lodging". The asker is based in the UK in any case. I fail to see what all the fuss is about here. The asker will eventually choose.
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1 hr
Grace Girouard
Uruguay
Uruguay
Native in English
Works in field
Uruguay
Reliable and Reasonable Translations
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish
conventional housing
The relative increase in demand for conventional housing. (Google translation)
+1
2 hrs
Lourdes Sanchez
Native in Spanish
Works in field
I will respect your voice
Native in: Spanish
Works in: Spanish to English, Spanish, English, and 1 more.
standard lodging
my suggestion
Peer comment(s):
| agree |
Carmen Schultz
: You and I were on the same wavelength with ' lodging ' (maybe it works better for US English)I think conventional can be used too
1 day 16 hrs
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yes lodging is what is commonly used here, if you ever here accommodation in the US it is in singular vs accommodations (plural) used in England. Thank you Liz
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2 hrs
Carmen Schultz
Native in Spanish
&
English
Accurate & Reliable
Native in: Spanish 
, English
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, French to English, and 2 more.
Related KudoZ points
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12
conventional lodging
lodging is the typical word for alojamiento
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Santa Fe Convention and Visitors Bureau: Visiting Santa Fe
Authentic casita rentals; historic boutique hotels; modern conventional lodging; intimate bed & breakfasts; even wild west outdoor camping await you! ...
www.santafe.org/Visiting_Santa_Fe/ - Cached - Similar
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Area Hotels/Motels - Boone Convention & Visitors Bureau ( www ...
The time has finally come to escape today's conventional lodging options, and step into an atmosphere that genuinely captures the spirit of early Americana ...
visitboonenc.com/chamber-portal.htm?display...category... - Cached - Similar
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The Complete Idiot's Guide to Rving - Google Books Result
Brent Peterson - 2001 - Sports & Recreation - 403 pages
Conventional Lodging Remember our mantra: RVing is all about choices. ... Campgrounds and conventional lodging aren't mutually exclusive. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=002864171X...
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EBSCOhost Connection: Less-conventional lodging up among leisure ...
Hotel & Motel Management: Provides data on demand for less-conventional lodging in the United States. Increased demand for less-conventional lodging; ...
connection.ebscohost.com/content/article/1033444602.html;jsessionid...
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Welcome Inn Manor
Your hosts, Mell and Angie Monroe want guests to consider their home as a “home-styled full service” alternative to conventional lodging in an intimate ...
www.welcomeinnmanor.com/ - Cached - Similar
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The US Government makes a distinction with regard to the various kinds of lodging (conventional lodging, non-conventional lodging, etc.) See the following excerpt:
Answer: Per Federal Travel Regulation 301-11.12: How does the type of lodging I select affect my reimbursement? You will be reimbursed as follows:
(a) Conventional lodgings. (Hotel/motel, boarding house, etc.) You will be reimbursed the single occupancy rate.
(b) Government quarters. You will be reimbursed, as a lodging expense, the fee or service charge you pay for use of the quarters.
(c) Lodging with friend(s) or relative(s) (with or without charge). You may be reimbursed for additional costs your host incurs in accommodating you only if you are able to substantiate the costs and your agency determines these costs to be reasonable. You will not be reimbursed the cost of comparable conventional
lodging in the area or a flat “token” amount. (NOTE: Examples of additional costs are such things as electricity, water, natural gas. A house payment, cable bill, or other charges that would not change as a result of your stay would not be considered “additional costs.” Documentation reflecting additional charges during your stay is required.)
(d) Nonconventional lodging. You may be reimbursed the cost of other types of lodging when there are no conventional lodging facilities in the area or when conventional facilities are in short supply because of the hurricane or other catastrophic event. Such lodging ncludes college dormitories or similar
facilities or rooms not offered commercially but made available to the public by area residents in their homes.
(e) Recreational vehicle (trailer/camper). You may be reimbursed for expenses (parking fees, fees for connection, use, and disconnection of utilities, electricity, gas, water and sewage, bath or shower fees, and dumping fees) which may be considered as a lodging cost.
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def. (Webster's Online)
lodging
1 a : a place to live : dwelling b : lodgment 3b
2 a (1) : sleeping accommodations <found lodging in the barn> (2) : a temporary place to stay <a lodging for the night> b : a room in the house of another used as a residence —usually used in plural
3 : the act of lodging
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#
Santa Fe Convention and Visitors Bureau: Visiting Santa Fe
Authentic casita rentals; historic boutique hotels; modern conventional lodging; intimate bed & breakfasts; even wild west outdoor camping await you! ...
www.santafe.org/Visiting_Santa_Fe/ - Cached - Similar
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Area Hotels/Motels - Boone Convention & Visitors Bureau ( www ...
The time has finally come to escape today's conventional lodging options, and step into an atmosphere that genuinely captures the spirit of early Americana ...
visitboonenc.com/chamber-portal.htm?display...category... - Cached - Similar
#
The Complete Idiot's Guide to Rving - Google Books Result
Brent Peterson - 2001 - Sports & Recreation - 403 pages
Conventional Lodging Remember our mantra: RVing is all about choices. ... Campgrounds and conventional lodging aren't mutually exclusive. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=002864171X...
#
EBSCOhost Connection: Less-conventional lodging up among leisure ...
Hotel & Motel Management: Provides data on demand for less-conventional lodging in the United States. Increased demand for less-conventional lodging; ...
connection.ebscohost.com/content/article/1033444602.html;jsessionid...
#
Welcome Inn Manor
Your hosts, Mell and Angie Monroe want guests to consider their home as a “home-styled full service” alternative to conventional lodging in an intimate ...
www.welcomeinnmanor.com/ - Cached - Similar
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Note added at 1 day12 hrs (2010-07-20 06:45:02 GMT)
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The US Government makes a distinction with regard to the various kinds of lodging (conventional lodging, non-conventional lodging, etc.) See the following excerpt:
Answer: Per Federal Travel Regulation 301-11.12: How does the type of lodging I select affect my reimbursement? You will be reimbursed as follows:
(a) Conventional lodgings. (Hotel/motel, boarding house, etc.) You will be reimbursed the single occupancy rate.
(b) Government quarters. You will be reimbursed, as a lodging expense, the fee or service charge you pay for use of the quarters.
(c) Lodging with friend(s) or relative(s) (with or without charge). You may be reimbursed for additional costs your host incurs in accommodating you only if you are able to substantiate the costs and your agency determines these costs to be reasonable. You will not be reimbursed the cost of comparable conventional
lodging in the area or a flat “token” amount. (NOTE: Examples of additional costs are such things as electricity, water, natural gas. A house payment, cable bill, or other charges that would not change as a result of your stay would not be considered “additional costs.” Documentation reflecting additional charges during your stay is required.)
(d) Nonconventional lodging. You may be reimbursed the cost of other types of lodging when there are no conventional lodging facilities in the area or when conventional facilities are in short supply because of the hurricane or other catastrophic event. Such lodging ncludes college dormitories or similar
facilities or rooms not offered commercially but made available to the public by area residents in their homes.
(e) Recreational vehicle (trailer/camper). You may be reimbursed for expenses (parking fees, fees for connection, use, and disconnection of utilities, electricity, gas, water and sewage, bath or shower fees, and dumping fees) which may be considered as a lodging cost.
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def. (Webster's Online)
lodging
1 a : a place to live : dwelling b : lodgment 3b
2 a (1) : sleeping accommodations <found lodging in the barn> (2) : a temporary place to stay <a lodging for the night> b : a room in the house of another used as a residence —usually used in plural
3 : the act of lodging
Peer comment(s):
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liz askew
: the context is tourism, not disasters.
1 day 10 hrs
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Liz, I just happened to get an excerpt that had been used in that context but "Federal Travel Regulation 301-11.12:" relates to all travel not just for disaster stuff! Just google "Federal Travel Regulation 301-11.12:" and you will see
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Discussion
Per Federal Travel Regulation 301-11.12: How does the type of lodging I select affect my reimbursement? You will be reimbursed as follows:
(a) Conventional lodgings. (Hotel/motel, boarding house, etc.) You will be reimbursed the single occupancy rate.
(b) Government quarters. You will be reimbursed, as a lodging expense, the fee or service charge you pay for use of the quarters.
(c) Lodging with friend(s) or relative(s) (with or without charge). You may be reimbursed for additional costs your host incurs in accommodating you only if you are able to substantiate the costs and your agency determines these costs to be reasonable. You will not be reimbursed the cost of comparable conventional
lodging in the area or a flat “token” amount. (NOTE: Examples of additional costs are such things as electricity, water, natural gas. A house payment, cable bill, or other charges that would not change as a result of your stay would not be considered “additional costs.” Documentation reflecting additional charges during your stay is required.) ...
Looking forward to that context in order to be able to venture more comment.