Apr 28, 2006 09:52
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French term
projet d'aménagement
French to English
Art/Literary
History
This is from the title of a painting of the Louvre done in the late 1700s:
Projet d'aménagement de la Grande Galerie vers 1798
an image of which I found here:
http://cartelen.louvre.fr/cartelen/visite?srv=car_not_frame&...
Development project or plan sounds so "modern urban planning" to me - does it sound that way to your ear also?
Another thing that is bugging me a bit, is that the painting is not really showing a project or plan, but the museum as it was "en cours d'élaboration" - more active. Grande Galerie undergoing development? Nothing sounds right to me today!
Your help is greatly appreciated.
Projet d'aménagement de la Grande Galerie vers 1798
an image of which I found here:
http://cartelen.louvre.fr/cartelen/visite?srv=car_not_frame&...
Development project or plan sounds so "modern urban planning" to me - does it sound that way to your ear also?
Another thing that is bugging me a bit, is that the painting is not really showing a project or plan, but the museum as it was "en cours d'élaboration" - more active. Grande Galerie undergoing development? Nothing sounds right to me today!
Your help is greatly appreciated.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +2 | renovation project ? |
CMJ_Trans (X)
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| 4 +2 | artist's impression |
Bourth (X)
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| 4 +2 | renovation project |
Roddy Stegemann
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| 3 +1 | restoration of... |
Bailatjones
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| 4 | architectural project |
Miranda Joubioux (X)
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| 3 +1 | refurbishment of .../reconstruction project |
suezen
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| 4 | artist's rendition of proposed renovation |
Christopher Crockett
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| 4 | construction or building project |
Barbara Cochran, MFA
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| 3 | Proposed layout (or plan) for ,,,, |
234561
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Proposed translations
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renovation project ?
This information might inspire you.....
Considering its turbulent history, it is no wonder the 18th century artist Hubert Robert painted two very different depictions of the Grand Gallery. The first is a delightful view of a thriving place of artistic enjoyment and study. The other is Robert's imaginary depiction of how the Louvre will look one day as a ruin. Just as it is certain that great art will endure, Robert suggests with equal certainty that great civilizations will all eventually destroy themselves. Happily, Robert’s prophesy has not yet come to pass. Today, the mighty ship of art and history keeps her steady course on the Seine, and remains one of the true wonders of the world.
A painting by Hubert Robert from 1796, showing the Parisian public enjoying the newly founded museum.
http://theculturedtraveler.com/Archives/SEP2005/Louvre_Wonde...
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A French painter so famous for his paintings and drawings of antique ruins in Italy and ruined buildings around Paris that he acquired the nickname of 'Robert des Ruines'. Perhaps the most remarkable are a pair of paintings that Robert produced in 1796. The first shows a view of his design for a gallery in the Louvre (Project d' Aménagement de la Grande Galerie); the second, a view of the same gallery in ruins (Vue Imaginaire de la Grande Galerie en Ruines).
http://traumwerk.stanford.edu:3455/71/50
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DESIGN FOR A GRAND GALLERY
Considering its turbulent history, it is no wonder the 18th century artist Hubert Robert painted two very different depictions of the Grand Gallery. The first is a delightful view of a thriving place of artistic enjoyment and study. The other is Robert's imaginary depiction of how the Louvre will look one day as a ruin. Just as it is certain that great art will endure, Robert suggests with equal certainty that great civilizations will all eventually destroy themselves. Happily, Robert’s prophesy has not yet come to pass. Today, the mighty ship of art and history keeps her steady course on the Seine, and remains one of the true wonders of the world.
A painting by Hubert Robert from 1796, showing the Parisian public enjoying the newly founded museum.
http://theculturedtraveler.com/Archives/SEP2005/Louvre_Wonde...
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A French painter so famous for his paintings and drawings of antique ruins in Italy and ruined buildings around Paris that he acquired the nickname of 'Robert des Ruines'. Perhaps the most remarkable are a pair of paintings that Robert produced in 1796. The first shows a view of his design for a gallery in the Louvre (Project d' Aménagement de la Grande Galerie); the second, a view of the same gallery in ruins (Vue Imaginaire de la Grande Galerie en Ruines).
http://traumwerk.stanford.edu:3455/71/50
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DESIGN FOR A GRAND GALLERY
Note from asker:
| Very inspiring! In another of Robert's paintings, called Projet d'amenagement de la rotonde de Mars, only one statue is real, and the others are all imaginary. The paintings of the Grande Gallery also contain a lot of imaginary (the one is even called Vue imaginaire), so I don't think I can call it an actual restoration/reconstruction project. I like the way one of your quotes refered to it as a design - these are his designs, not actual projects beings carried out. Thanks so much for your help! |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Your links were an immense help, for the translation is very specific to Robert des ruines' style and imaginings, not an actual project that was planned or carried out. I went with design, but I think artist's impression or rendition could have worked as well."
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restoration of...
"restoration of the Grand Gallery, circa 1798" could be one way of putting it
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or 'transformation' of the grand gallery....
That's maybe better, transformation,
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From a website on the history of the Louvre:
"With the Revolution, the Louvre entered a phase of intensive transformation. For three years, Louis XVI lived in the Tuileries palace, alongside the Convention Nationale. In 1793 the Museum Central des Arts opened to the public in the Grande Galerie and the Salon Carré, from where the collections gradually spread to take over the building. Anne of Austria’s apartments housed the antique sculpture galleries, and further rooms and exhibition spaces were opened under Charles X."
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or 'transformation' of the grand gallery....
That's maybe better, transformation,
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From a website on the history of the Louvre:
"With the Revolution, the Louvre entered a phase of intensive transformation. For three years, Louis XVI lived in the Tuileries palace, alongside the Convention Nationale. In 1793 the Museum Central des Arts opened to the public in the Grande Galerie and the Salon Carré, from where the collections gradually spread to take over the building. Anne of Austria’s apartments housed the antique sculpture galleries, and further rooms and exhibition spaces were opened under Charles X."
15 mins
architectural project
This could be another option in this context.
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19 mins
refurbishment of .../reconstruction project
First refurbished in 1757 and 1758 and then nearly doubled in size in a second ... These grand houses were objects to convey “conspicuous consumption,” as ...
encarta.msn.com/text_461575773___0/ American_Architecture.html - 86k
The Grand Reconstruction project. Toward The end of The reign of Louis XV, around 1770, ... its floor plan, loftiness (over 25 metres high), stained glass, ...
europeanadventures.homestead.com/ files/chapter_13-areas_of_interestoffrance.htm - 146k
encarta.msn.com/text_461575773___0/ American_Architecture.html - 86k
The Grand Reconstruction project. Toward The end of The reign of Louis XV, around 1770, ... its floor plan, loftiness (over 25 metres high), stained glass, ...
europeanadventures.homestead.com/ files/chapter_13-areas_of_interestoffrance.htm - 146k
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1 hr
artist's impression
You say "the painting is not really showing a project or plan, but the museum as it was "en cours d'élaboration" - more active", but it seems to me that it shows one of the halls as the artist/director expected it would look when built/completed, complete with museum visitors. I could not see anything I identified as works in progress.
The site you quote also says "Il a *****imaginé***** la Grande Galerie telle qu'on la découvre aujourd'hui, avec sa segmentation en travées et son éclairage zénithal".
On such a forward-looking image of an architectural image today, we would call it an "artist's impression of ...", it seems to me.
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I see someone else's answer includes a reference to the artist's impression of the Louvre in ruins.
The site you quote also says "Il a *****imaginé***** la Grande Galerie telle qu'on la découvre aujourd'hui, avec sa segmentation en travées et son éclairage zénithal".
On such a forward-looking image of an architectural image today, we would call it an "artist's impression of ...", it seems to me.
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I see someone else's answer includes a reference to the artist's impression of the Louvre in ruins.
Peer comment(s):
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Christopher Crockett
: Yes, it's something like that.
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| agree |
Cervin
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Roddy Stegemann
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renovation project
This could include any type of change or alteration from the current state that did not include expansion or restoration.
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After reading through some of the other entries and your own further comments you might drop the word "project" altogether and simply write "renovation". In this same vein, another word that might work here is "renewal".
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After reading through some of the other entries and your own further comments you might drop the word "project" altogether and simply write "renovation". In this same vein, another word that might work here is "renewal".
Peer comment(s):
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Julie Barber
: agree. Agree with refurbishment too...
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Yes, refurbishment would also work. Thanks!
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Susana Magnani
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Thanks.
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artist's rendition of proposed renovation
It's not uncommon for architects to comission an artist to produce a rendering of what the building would look like were the project which has been proposed actually to go forward.
This was obviously a large, important and (probably) contraversial renovation, so those who were in favor of it wanted a large (1.15x1.45m), detailed and very attractively sympathetic artist's rendering to win over the skeptics.
At least that's my take on it --I have no actual knowledge of the historical situation.
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Typically, the painter has taken considerable liberties with the reality of the building.
My memory of the Louvre galleries is that, while they are quite large, they really aren't as VAST as our fellow here would have us believe --the ceiling somewhat obscured in mist, the vista down the gallery virtually endless....
Despite its extreme realism, it's an "impressionistic" rendering, not a photograph, after all.
This was obviously a large, important and (probably) contraversial renovation, so those who were in favor of it wanted a large (1.15x1.45m), detailed and very attractively sympathetic artist's rendering to win over the skeptics.
At least that's my take on it --I have no actual knowledge of the historical situation.
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Typically, the painter has taken considerable liberties with the reality of the building.
My memory of the Louvre galleries is that, while they are quite large, they really aren't as VAST as our fellow here would have us believe --the ceiling somewhat obscured in mist, the vista down the gallery virtually endless....
Despite its extreme realism, it's an "impressionistic" rendering, not a photograph, after all.
Peer comment(s):
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Roddy Stegemann
: I also thought of the words rendering and artistic and tried to mold them into various phrases. I then realized how empty the exercise was. Is it not obvious from the painting that it is an artistic rendering? Are these words not conceptually redundant?
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It is a "rendition" because the subject being painted doesn't actually exist (yet); a "projection", if you like. Thanks anyway, Hamo.
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Proposed layout (or plan) for ,,,,
"aménagement" like Alice in Wonderland, can mean whatever you want it to mean. There is no firm and specific translation. For buildings it can mean "renovation", "restoration", "redecoration" etc. In this case, however, I tnink the intent is to describe a new layout or "plan" and thus the translation that I offered.
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construction or building project
I didn't get the impression from your notes that this was any kind of refurbishing or renovation project.
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