Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Spanish term or phrase:
trentino y viñolesco
English translation:
Tridentine and Vignolesque
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Linda Grabner
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trentino y viñolesco
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I am translating an academic article from peninsular Spanish to American English on Spanish Renaissance architecture. The author offers a list of adjectives used in the field, and two of them are trentino and viñolesco. I haven't been able to find the words themselves, let alone the nouns they derive from, so I really have no idea how to direct my search. I suspect that trentino is the adjective for "from Trento, Italy", but have been unable to find any demonyms for that, so I was planning on just going with Trentino, unless anyone has any better ideas (or corrects my suspicion).
Here's the context:
Tampoco ha existido, a lo largo de la construcción de esta historia, unanimidad a la hora de fijar la terminología más adecuada para definir los fenómenos que se sucedieron y, al mismo tiempo, convivieron durante esta centuria; una pléyade de términos taxonómicos se ha acumulado en nuestra historiografía -renacimiento plateresco, protorrenacimiento, gótico plateresco, estilo ornamentado y estilo desornamentado, purismo, estilo Príncipe Felipe, manierismo, herreriano, escurialense, trentino, viñolesco, clasicismo, protobarroco, etc.
And what I've got so far:
Nor has there been, throughout the construction of this history, unanimity when it comes to setting the most appropriate terminology for defining the phenomena that occurred separately and together during this century; a galaxy of taxonomic terms have accumulated in our historiography: plateresque Renaissance, proto-Renaissance, Gothic plateresque, ornamented style and unornamented style, purism, Prince Philip style, mannerism, Herrerian, Escorialist, Trentino, **viñolesco,** Classicism, proto-Barroque, etc.
Any help MUCH appreciated!
Here's the context:
Tampoco ha existido, a lo largo de la construcción de esta historia, unanimidad a la hora de fijar la terminología más adecuada para definir los fenómenos que se sucedieron y, al mismo tiempo, convivieron durante esta centuria; una pléyade de términos taxonómicos se ha acumulado en nuestra historiografía -renacimiento plateresco, protorrenacimiento, gótico plateresco, estilo ornamentado y estilo desornamentado, purismo, estilo Príncipe Felipe, manierismo, herreriano, escurialense, trentino, viñolesco, clasicismo, protobarroco, etc.
And what I've got so far:
Nor has there been, throughout the construction of this history, unanimity when it comes to setting the most appropriate terminology for defining the phenomena that occurred separately and together during this century; a galaxy of taxonomic terms have accumulated in our historiography: plateresque Renaissance, proto-Renaissance, Gothic plateresque, ornamented style and unornamented style, purism, Prince Philip style, mannerism, Herrerian, Escorialist, Trentino, **viñolesco,** Classicism, proto-Barroque, etc.
Any help MUCH appreciated!
Proposed translations
(English)
| 4 +4 | Tridentine and Vignolesque |
Charles Davis
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| 3 | "trentino" and "viñolesco" |
JohnMcDove
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Proposed translations
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Tridentine and Vignolesque
Trentino does refer to Trent (Trento), in Italy, where the Council of Trent was held from 1545-64. It defined the Catholic Church's response to the Protestant Reformation, known as the Counter-Reformation. The adjective is Tridentine, and in Spanish it should really be tridentino too.
José Camón Aznar, "El estilo trentino".
This won't let me copy and paste, but if you search for "trentino" in the article you'll see it refers to the Council and the Counter-Reformation.
"Therefore, Tridentine architecture, particularly through its emphasis on sanctity, martyrdom, and relics, was orchestrated by its claims to temporalise place and to localise time."
http://field-journal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/h-hills....
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"Viñolesco" refers to the great Italian mannerist architect Giacomo Barozzi da Vignola (1507-73), known particularly for the Villa Farnese and the Church of the Gesù in Rome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Barozzi_da_Vignola
He was also the author of Regla de las cinco órdenes de Architectura, and Juan de Herrera (architect of the Escorial) was inspired by him.
"Serlian windows, Vignolesque cornices, the classical orders"
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=xuo9DwAAQBAJ&pg=PR19&lpg...
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Note added at 1 hr (2019-07-07 22:16:12 GMT)
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I forgot to add the reference for the article on "El estilo trentino":
http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/descargaPdf/el-estilo-trenti...
By the way, I'm distressed to see that I wrote "from 1545-64": this is one of my pet hates. It should be "from 1545 to 1564".
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Note added at 1 hr (2019-07-07 22:18:14 GMT)
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(PS. Be careful with "Baroque": only one r in English.)
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Note added at 11 hrs (2019-07-08 08:12:28 GMT)
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(Tridentine comes from Tridentum, which was the Roman name for Trent. I have never bothered to find out the origin of the name, but apparently it comes from Tri Dentum, three teeth, i.e., trident, as in Neptune, and refers to the three hills around the city. Good old Wikipedia.)
José Camón Aznar, "El estilo trentino".
This won't let me copy and paste, but if you search for "trentino" in the article you'll see it refers to the Council and the Counter-Reformation.
"Therefore, Tridentine architecture, particularly through its emphasis on sanctity, martyrdom, and relics, was orchestrated by its claims to temporalise place and to localise time."
http://field-journal.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/h-hills....
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"Viñolesco" refers to the great Italian mannerist architect Giacomo Barozzi da Vignola (1507-73), known particularly for the Villa Farnese and the Church of the Gesù in Rome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giacomo_Barozzi_da_Vignola
He was also the author of Regla de las cinco órdenes de Architectura, and Juan de Herrera (architect of the Escorial) was inspired by him.
"Serlian windows, Vignolesque cornices, the classical orders"
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=xuo9DwAAQBAJ&pg=PR19&lpg...
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Note added at 1 hr (2019-07-07 22:16:12 GMT)
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I forgot to add the reference for the article on "El estilo trentino":
http://www.cervantesvirtual.com/descargaPdf/el-estilo-trenti...
By the way, I'm distressed to see that I wrote "from 1545-64": this is one of my pet hates. It should be "from 1545 to 1564".
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Note added at 1 hr (2019-07-07 22:18:14 GMT)
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(PS. Be careful with "Baroque": only one r in English.)
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Note added at 11 hrs (2019-07-08 08:12:28 GMT)
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(Tridentine comes from Tridentum, which was the Roman name for Trent. I have never bothered to find out the origin of the name, but apparently it comes from Tri Dentum, three teeth, i.e., trident, as in Neptune, and refers to the three hills around the city. Good old Wikipedia.)
Note from asker:
| Oh, and thanks for the reminder on the spelling of Baroque. I didn't catch it here before I submitted my question, but I did in my translation. I kept looking at it, knowing it looked wrong, and finally realized I was seeing too many r's. But the reminder is appreciated all the same. |
Peer comment(s):
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JohnMcDove
: I got too "focused", while anwering, below, but your solution is definitely better. (And already in use...) ¡Saludos!
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Many thanks, John ;-) ¡Saludos!
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Toni Castano
: Correct. "Trentino" or "tridentino", both are used in Spanish.
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Thanks, Toni! Yes, you're right, "trentino" is correct (but I've never seen "Trentine" in English).
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Muriel Vasconcellos
: You beat me to it!
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Many thanks, Muriel :-)
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| agree |
neilmac
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Cheers, Neil :-)
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks, Charles, you've saved the day again! I knew, of course, about the history of the Council of Trent, but never made the connection... And Vignolesque I don't think I would have ever found!"
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"trentino" and "viñolesco"
I would leave both terms untranslated, as additional baroque styles
https://www.elpasodelhombre.com/3-pinceladas-barrocas-sevill...
https://books.google.com/books?id=Scv9CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA1397&lpg...
https://www.elpasodelhombre.com/3-pinceladas-barrocas-sevill...
https://books.google.com/books?id=Scv9CwAAQBAJ&pg=PA1397&lpg...
Reference comments
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Reference:
Estilos trentino/tridentino y viñolesco
La arquitectura en el otoño del Renacimiento: Juan de Naveda 1590-1638
https://books.google.es/books?id=DEPOEP975DsC&pg=PA17&lpg=PA...
https://books.google.es/books?id=DEPOEP975DsC&pg=PA17&lpg=PA...
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